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Sony Vaio P vs. Kohjinsha SC3 photos

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The people at the Sony booth were not happy about us doing this today, but we still managed to put my Kohjinsha SC3 (7-inch screen, 1024 x 600 resolution) next to the Vaio P (8-inch screen, 1600 x 768 resolution) before being chased out of the area. One more photo below.

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My SC3 better get used to sharing the spotlight with the P because it’ll be that way permanently at home soon.

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Jenn K. Lee

Jenn K. Lee is the founder of Pocketables. She loves gadgets the way most women love shoes and purses. The pieces in her tech wardrobe that go with everything are currently the Samsung Galaxy Note II, Sony Tablet P, and Nexus 7, but there are still a couple of vintage UMPCs/MIDs in the back of her closet.

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35 thoughts on “Sony Vaio P vs. Kohjinsha SC3 photos

  • Unless you are so attracted to the Sony, I just don’t see a single reason to get this for $1000 while the eee PC 900a is only $280 in BestBuy stores, or the Lenovo S10 for $300 that looks very good. Yep it is lighter and thinner, but still not pocketable, why bother? Because it is Sony? In terms of computers, Sony only means lots of Sony crapware installed and post-sale support = 0.

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  • Avatar of bluemonq

    I don’t know about the value proposition of the Vaio P, but seriously, calling the Lenovo S10 “very good [looking]”? Well… to each their own; to me, it looks like a fairly typical notebook shrunk down in size.

    As for why Jenn would choose a Vaio P over the S10 or 900a, why don’t you go and look at her past mobile purchases? Sony UX180, HTC Shift, Sharp Willcom D4, HP 2133 – if you think about it for a bit, I’m pretty sure you’ll understand a bit more how the Vaio P fits in.

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  • Avatar of Fixup

    No I was not talking to Jenn but to all readers. I know lots of people buy looks, but for $700 more… And this Sony does not look any special to me just ugly super long.

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  • Very nice, comparing the SC3 to the Sony P. Gives you a better idea how big it is. By the way does the Sony P have all the drivers for video working?

    By the way how did the SC3 work out during the CES? How was the battery life with the extended battery.

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  • Avatar of outie

    You may not like it, but a lot of us do. You should check out the Engadget gallery on the P and the asus eeePC. It makes the eeePCs look like toys. Not everyone in this world is looking for best bang for the buck, and in the case of Sony, you will never get the best value or remotely close. We all know it.

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  • As a long term Sony fan I’m disappointed with the P. It looks like Sony have followed the Netbook craze, with a bit of a twist. However, they’ve missed the point….Price point.

    Looks like OQO is going to scoop the premium microPC market. I was looking for an update of the UX. Better thumbboard, 3G and thinner form factor with slightly larger screen in the 4.5-6in range.

    I don’t think the P will give me cause to update from the Fujitsu U series either. Sad.

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  • I agree that Sony is much more pricey than almost any other brand, but it sure looks better in the above pics.

    There’s no comparison, in my terms. (Except budget, of course)

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  • Avatar of GeoffreyM

    I am looking to buy the P to replace my SC3, which replaced a U810. I paid around $1100 for each of those devices, so to me the P isn’t overly expensive. My purchases in this area are not based strictly on price, but on compactness and features. I want the smallest device possible that still is workable for me. The U810’s screen eventually proved too small for my eyes with contacts (instead of bifocals) and that affected its utility for me. I have enjoyed having tablet devices for both note-taking and book-reading purposes. I am willing to lose this feature for the even lighter Sony, which includes 3G and a bigger keyboard. (I actually touch-type very well on the SC3, so it’s not like I really need the larger keyboard, but it will be nice.)

    And the Sony is pretty. :)

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  • Avatar of GeoffreyM

    Jenn–Do you remember when Sony said the P should be in SonyStyle stores?

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  • I am guessing it will be in the B&M stores at the same time it is shipping from the online store, end of Jan.

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  • Avatar of Jeremy

    Are you concerned about the unusual screen shape on the Sony P? For most functions, you are somewhat accepting a smaller screen because of the reduced vertical landscape.

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  • Avatar of orbitalcomp

    Let me put in a few comments here, since I am here at CES and have checked out the P a few times…

    First, the weight of this thing is incredible. Sony says it is 1.4 lbs, but it feels even lighter. Take your battery off your Eee or AAO, and they still feel heavier than the Sony with the battery.

    Second, the screen size is a bit odd, but Sony did put a nice anti-reflective coating on it, even though it is glossy.

    Build quality is typical Sony, it seems very solid. Two things I don’t like are the long distance between the trackpoint and the mouse buttons, and the Verizon-only broadband. It is a Gobi chipset, but there is no SIM slot anywhere to be found. The devices on display are pre-production units (VGN-XXXX is the model on them, if I remember correctly), so maybe this will change and the final units will have HSDPA in addition to CDMA.

    In response to the Eee 900A pricing above, they are actually ony $199 in store only at BB as of yesterday. This may have changed by Sunday, but that is one heck of a price. Of course, it really is no comparison to the P, but you sure would have some extra $$$ in your wallet.

    Also, the SonyStyle store here in the Forum Shops at Caesars does have the P out on display in all the colors. I was shocked they had them already, so those of you with SonyStyle stores may check them out for demo units.

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  • I’m going to have to check these P’s at the Sony Store at Caesars. I came out to the Tablet Meet Up and I’m still out here in LV. I also think its going to be a nice “Netbook” or some may say “SubNotebook”. I think price is mostly for the build qauilty and better parts that make up the Sony P. I have had the U810, M912, and I still have the SC3, MSI Wind running Windows 7 & Leopard, and my Macbook Pro. I can say the U810 and the SC3 are pricey but the build quailty doesn’t match the lower Netbooks. The U810 & SC3 have more. I might order a Sony P when released but, I’m worry about the resoulution on the screen, but now that I know that they have demo’s at the SonyStyle store here in LV I will check it out.

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  • Avatar of Bruno

    If you do check it out then please share your impressions!

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  • I sure will.

    Sent From Hector’s BlackBerry® Storm

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  • Avatar of GeoffreyM

    I’m actually not concerned for a couple reasons: 1) The vertical resolution is actually higher than my SC3’s (768 v. 600) and 2) I have more confidence in Sony releasing good drivers for their hardware.

    I do wish they had gone for a faster Atom processor, but am hoping that better drivers will boost things a tiny bit. I find the SC3 with 2GB RAM quite acceptable.

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  • Avatar of GeoffreyM

    The SonyStyle store in Pentagon City (Arlington, VA) just told me they should have display models in the store this week and have them for sale on 3 February.

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  • The OQO and the UX (I have both)form factors are totally different than clam shapes like the P.The OQO and the UX are not comfortable to use sitting down and typing.

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  • Avatar of GeoffreyM

    You’re absolutely right, of course. I would never consider either the OQO or UX for just that reason. I’ve played with both and they’re not for me.

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  • Avatar of Joseph

    >You may not like it, but a lot of us do. You should check out the Engadget
    >gallery on the P and the asus eeePC. It makes the eeePCs look like toys.

    You’re comparing different aspects. By citing photographs, you’re saying that it looks nice. Those criticising it are complaining about the underwhelming specs coupled with a very high price.

    > and in the case of Sony, you will never get the best value or remotely
    >close. We all know it.

    I disagree. I love my Sony H-1 digital camera, because at the time I bought it it offered a great set of features and was comparably priced with competitors. The problem with this Sony computer is that it is seriously lacking computing power yet is priced multiples over the competition.

    Anandtech has some pics of the Sony here
    http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3494
    and the idea that this could fit in a pocket is crazy.

    What has my mind boggling is this:

    “However the internals are definitely lacking compared to other netbooks. With a 1.33 Ghz Intel Z520 Atom processor and Windows Vista pre-installed, even navigating the desktop is sluggish. It took over a minute just to get to Device Manager from the desktop.”

    Seriously, what would be the point of buying a computer that’s that sluggish? It’s not like clothing that people are going to notice you in, where looks can count for something. If you actually want to use this thing, it’s apparently going to be a miserable experience, and I hope Jenn and others wait for some hands-on reviews before plunking down all that cash on this thing.

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  • As much as I love the size, looks, and the feature set of the Sony Vaio P, the price of it stops me cold. So far, I have never paid more than $600 for any piece of mobile gear and that seems to be my price ceiling lately. I have also noticed a large decrease in the amount of electricity I use since I went mobile, one of the side benefits of tiny computers. I live in a very small apartment on a modest income, and all of the consumer electronics I own are of the mobile persuasion.

    I have found that less than an 8.9 inch display is hard on my old eyes, & I don’t know if i could get by with the display on the VAIO P. I am currently using an Asus EEE PC 1000HA, and the 10 inch display seems to be just right.

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  • I think a lot of people will share your thoughts and compare the Vaio P to netbooks. The comparison is a natural one given the netbook craze and the form factor similarity, but I don’t think Sony is aiming this at the netbook crowd (they’re not even using the term and actually referred to “so-called netbooks” somewhat negatively in the press event, if I remember correctly). For a Sony, the P is actually pretty affordable. The UX, for example, was $1800 when it first came out. I think the PictureBooks were in that range as well. So a sub-$1K piece of gear stamped with the Sony name, which I’d say is pretty well respected for its design and build quality, isn’t too bad. It’s actually even cheaper than UMPCs with the same/similar internals and less features made by lesser-known companies.

    The P probably won’t have the same kind of crazy success as netbooks because of the price, but I think it will still do pretty well for its intended market.

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  • Well went to the SonyStyle store and got to see the Sony P. From pictures you can’t really tell how nice the Sony P is. Like Jenn said, the keyboard is very usable. I was typing with no problem on it, and the keys are like the TT Sony notebook. Its very light weight, they did seem to have the batties in them beacuse I lifted them up to check and had the battery. Unless it was a false cover acting a battery; maybe I should have pulled the plug and see if it went dead. One thing forsure as many have posted that these display models also had the VGN-XXXX for model on the top which mean they can maybe add or change some specs. Another thing is the video driver wasn’t the new one. It had the .1076 video driver and in Aero Glass settings it just slowed down to where you had to wait as you opened and moved around the desktop. I put it back to Vista Basic settings and was very good. This is the same problem with the SC3 since they have the same 1.33. I downloaded a HD Video from Microsoft and guess what it skipped frames just as the SC3. So hopefully with the release of more Poulsbo Chipsets Intel should release a correct driver for it; maybe they are waiting for Windows 7 to be released. They had all the colors in display and everyone that saw them would comment on how small and how they really liked it. One thing though is that you need a coat pocket, for it to be pocketable. I see why its longer then usuall netbooks. Its because they really wanted the keyboard to be usable.

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  • Bruno I clicked on the wrong reply to. LOL I clicked on my own below. I’m on the road back home and actually writing this on my MSI Wind that my Daughter gave me for Christmas. I have loaded Windows 7 & Leopard on it.

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  • I wasn’t able to test video playback, but I don’t think the drivers are any better than they are for the SC3 right now. I thought I read something about HD video support, though…

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  • Were there 4 or 5 colors? I’ve seen mention of an onyx black and some sort of regular black on some sites, but the official Sony info only cites the onyx black and whatever the red, green, and white colors are called.

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  • Yes, the ergonomics do facilate the mode of usage. The UX and OQO are primarily handhelds (and great to use in bed or on the ‘plane!). You need`to drop them into a docking station for desktop use. The Fuji U series can be used in either mode (convertible). The Sony P looks optimised for desktop usage just like all those netbooks. The long design certainly optimises the keyboard but I have serious doubts about the resulting screen format. Most web-sites just aren’t optimised for 1600×768 which will tend to waste screen space. I also have doubts about how ‘agile’ it’ll be with a 1.33MHz Atom running several Vista apps. Look forward to another fabulous Pocketables review which should help sort the truth out from the usual CES hype.

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  • Jenn I want to say they had only 4 colors. They had the green, red, white and the black but I didn’t see if they called it onyx black or some other name. I really liked the Sony P keyboard vs my SC3 and not that much bigger than the SC3 just wider. You would really have to get used to no trackpad but that wouldn’t be too much of a problem since most of the time I use my SC3 to edit work docs, excel, etc… on the road. When I have type something long I just use my stoweaway bt keyboard and my Microsoft presenter bt mouse 800. I took some pictures with a water bottle next to it to compare size.

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  • Jenn I looked at the video drivers that the Sony P has and it’s the same ones I have on my SC3. They are the .1076, and it doesn’t play HD video. I downloaded a HD video from Microsoft while I was there to see if there was any difference, but there wasn’t. doesn’t play any better than the SC3. Also the Sony P cant run Aero Glass either. I turned that feature on and it slowed down everything, just like on the SC3. They had them on Vista Basic which runs great with the video drivers that it has now, but hopefully the right drivers get released so that we can also use on the SC3. I liked the white color one and the green one.

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  • Hector, thanks, I figured it out :-) Off topic, how are you liking Win 7 on the Wind? I have installed it on Samsung Q1U and so far am impressed!

    Completely off-topic, but am I the only one who has problems with the new comments system here?

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  • Are you having technical or personal problems with the comments system?

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  • Avatar of Luke D

    LOL. Thank you for the side-by-side shot and for dealing with the ire of the Sony peeps. Will you be getting the base model or a tricked out one with an SSD?

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  • I just ordered the 64GB SSD model from Sony Style. :-)

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  • The Sony P is the ultimate auto dashboard GPS device. I’ve used a Sony T350 in the past but have always wanted something that had a lower screen height as this would allow less obstruction of my windsheild.
    Gonna get one. No doubt.
    Oh, and it’s dead sexy!

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